Speaker 1: What were you saying about school?

Speaker 2: School is set up to what Jobs was talking about: the simple life where life comes at you. It's so repetitive, like the simple life is, and you're not actually reading and talking to people about things you're interested in.

Speaker 1: What do you say about failure and grades?

Speaker 2: School disciplines failure. When you get a bad grade, you slack off and get disciplined for that. If you try and take shortcuts, you get disciplined for that. Life is just being set up for going to college and having to suffer — not for setting up something you're actually interested in.

Speaker 1: Talk about the notion of how when people are 8 to 10 they know what they want.

Speaker 2: When they're young they all say, "Oh, I want to be a sports star, a rock star," and then somewhere along the way they lose that want. From 13 to 20 nobody really knows what they want to do. When they have something they're interested in, they don't go and read about it or talk about it. They just get stuck in school life.

But it's not really people's fault that they don't have the ambition to be something — that's how it has been for so long in schools. Something must change.

Speaker 1: Do you think ambition is innate, then? Do you think you're born with ambition?

Speaker 2: Definitely not. Somewhere along your life you'll find something you're interested in and then you'll grow that ambition. It's just a matter of when.

Speaker 1: Surely people should just try and find a lot of things, do a lot of things, and fail a lot, and then see what sticks.

Speaker 2: Yeah, but the school system stops you from doing that.

Speaker 1: One parent says that they always have their kid's best interest at heart.

Speaker 2: That's obviously true, but to an extent. When their kid says they want to do something, not always are they like, "Oh, go for it." They often say, "No, I don't think you'll be good at that," or, "I don't think that's who you're meant to be." A kid's mind should just do exactly what they want to and no one should stop them.

I also think that a kid needs to do tough things and feel pain.

I was talking to our mother, and I was like, "Oh, maybe I want to do something in the movie industry." She was like, "I think you're better suited to doing something else," and I thought that was wrong of her, because I should do what I want to do. She can guide me and help me because she knows more about the world — she's older. But as long as it's something not morally wrong, she shouldn't stop me.